Phillip and I are political sociologists, and I think this is why we are driven to the how question. We want to understand how these conflicts unfold. But in the how question, there is also already part of the why and why do they unfold. Because a major argument in the book is precisely that the fight over LGBTI rights in many contexts is not actually at all about homosexuality, sexuality, gender. It’s really a fight about what about liberal democracy, about individual rights, about the status of international human rights. It’s become almost a kind of token fight today, where many authoritarian and autocratic governments lash out against groups that are already vulnerable by depicting them as vanguards or westernization or liberalization that then in those countries are not welcome. I mean, Russia is a very good example for that. So this is why the how question, to a certain extent, is also part of the why question.
[Clip] Why is there a fight over LGBTI rights
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